Speaker: 0:01

Welcome to The Heart-Led Business Show, where compassion meets commerce and leaders lead with love. Join your host, Tom Jackobs, as he delves into the insightful conversations with visionary business leaders who defy the status quo, putting humanity first and profit second. From heartfelt strategies to inspiring stories, this podcast is your compass in the world of conscious capitalism. So buckle up and let your heart guide your business journey.

Tom Jackobs: 0:36

Well, welcome back to The Heart-Led Business Show. Today we're rolling out the red carpet for Dr. Amy Gutman, MD, a board certified emergency doc with a heart as big as her resume, a leadership coach and the mastermind behind Tough Love MD. Dr. Gutman has spent over three decades transforming professionals into unstoppable powerhouses. Join us as we dive into her journey of blending compassion with clinical expertise and discover how she infuses heart into every corner of her business. Dr. Gutman, welcome to the show.

Amy Gutman, MD: 1:13

Well, thank you so much, Tom. I really appreciate it. Thank you for the invite.

Tom Jackobs: 1:16

Absolutely, and I'm, I'm really excited to chat with you today because it's, I always love having doctors on the show because a lot of doctors struggle with the whole business side of providing a really great service, a heartless service. So I, I'm really excited to learn about your journey through that, and I'm sure the audience will get some really cool insights as well. So thank you for being on the show.

Amy Gutman, MD: 1:42

Thank you.

Tom Jackobs: 1:43

My first question, though is always, what's your definition of a heart-led business?

Amy Gutman, MD: 1:48

Well, I think a lot of it comes down to, for me, it's in the name of my company, so Tough Love MD. So a lot of people think of heart. Well, it's caring and giving and charity and which is wonderful, and I am a hundred percent behind that. For me, the heart-led part of this is I am passionate about giving that tough love to people. And what tough love to me is, Hey, you don't think that you can do these things that I know you can, or you've been told these, I call them the kind lies throughout your life. Oh, that's fine. You're fine. And sometimes, no matter how strong of a person you are, you need someone to come in and say. No, I'm going to give you that tough love that you need to maybe give a little kick in the, I don't know if we're allowed to say swear words on your show, but a little kick in the tush, kick in the kick in the tush, as it were. And so I run my business the same way I run my company. I give professional kicks in people's tushes if, if that's the best definition.

Tom Jackobs: 2:59

I love that too. And, and the, the fact that love is in your, the name, you know, Tough Love MD just, you know, qualifies it as a heart-led business.'cause it's, it's all about love and, and I think people can really appreciate the love behind giving advice or observations that are, that may seem critical and could come across as rude sometimes, but

Amy Gutman, MD: 3:25

Sure.

Tom Jackobs: 3:25

people, people really need that and I'm, I'm sure as a emergency room doc or emergency department doc, that you probably have to have a lot of those conversations.

Amy Gutman, MD: 3:34

I, I have a lot of very blunt conversations. I, I think the most common criticism that I get is that, oh, she's mean, and I'm not mean. I'm, I'm quite, I'm blunt. So I, I did a, a TEDx talk recently and it was about patient satisfaction and, I. So, I either have five stars or zero stars or whatever the lowest you can give, and it's or one star, whatever, whatev negative two. Dr. Gutman is the worst physician I've ever had. And the reason in their mind I'm the worst is I'm like, Hey, you are here'cause your sugar's outta control. You're telling me you're following a diabetic diet. You're not following a diabetic diet. Now you, because of something you have control over, you have a really bad complication. And so I'm like, listen, you can fix this. And people, some people take it very well because no one's ever tell them that they can have control. Take more insulin than ever. But I let people know that they do have responsibility, and I think that's actually empowering to know that you have responsibility in your personal life and professional life, and that's the leadership part. But some people do not take well to that, and I am perpetually being, like written up on patient satisfaction. Dr. Gutman is mean. She blamed me because you know, my blood pressure's sky high and it's not my fault that I did X, Y, and Z. When are things that are out of your control a hundred percent, we, I get that,

Tom Jackobs: 5:11

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 5:11

but you have to have ownership.'Cause if you don't have ownership, you can't improve. So that's the

Tom Jackobs: 5:17

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 5:18

tough love. I'm not truly

Tom Jackobs: 5:21

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 5:21

the worst physician on the planet Earth. I, I'm, I'm, I'm sure, I hope so. I hope not. Yeah, it's actually funny. So I've been like a EMS and firefighting forever, and a doctor forever. But I was having one of my colleagues last night, he has the Memorial Day weekend off. It's his birthday, and I'm like, I wish him a happy birthday. And I'm like, I'm just morbidly curious. How old are you? So he held, he, he holds himself very well. I'm gonna be 33. I'm like, oh my

Tom Jackobs: 5:48

Oh my gosh.

Amy Gutman, MD: 5:49

I'm like, I have underwear older than you are. Oh, that's lovely. Happy birthday.

Tom Jackobs: 5:55

Right on that. No, that's great. Now, are you seeing, and this is just outta my, my own curiosity, morbid curiosity maybe, are you seeing that it's a certain generation that is not taking responsibility for their actions or is it across the.

Amy Gutman, MD: 6:16

So I think that it's individuals. Obviously, you know, there's a lot of talk about the sort of the latest generation coming up being, less responsible. What I think is interesting is the response, though, meaning when I talk to the like 20 to 30 year olds,

Tom Jackobs: 6:37

Mm-hmm.

Amy Gutman, MD: 6:37

you would think they would be less responsive, but if you actually hold them accountable there is a fairly large percentage of people like, oh, I had no idea. I think a lot of it comes because they don't necessarily trust authority in the same way that, I'm in my fifties. It's a different it. So I think if you put in the perspective of them trusting authority and giving them back the power, they sort of take that a different way. The other thing is interesting in the 65 and up age group who are, they don't like being placated

Tom Jackobs: 7:20

Hmm. Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 7:20

And they're so used to it. A lot of them have sort of, they, they don't respect authority in a very different way and also tend to react well. When I'm like, Hey, these are things that you can do. You also see that in the business world, which are leaders who are, you know, CEOs, CMOs, people who are running companies, are very used to being told, never being told no. And so when somebody does, their response is also surprisingly receptive in some cases.

Tom Jackobs: 8:00

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 8:00

Whereas the people who are on their way up. I find that the ones who are like truly leaders actually also respond very well.'cause it's like, oh, because they've never really been told that have responsibility for that. So I think it's, you know, we talk about different generational things, but it also depends on how you're raised and where you're raised and that the culture.

Tom Jackobs: 8:32

And I think the reason that I asked that is we're of the same generation, so we're about the same. And so, the I don't have kids, but like my niece and nephew of that, that generation tends to be the ones that get the participation ribbon for everything. And like, and our generation, they're like, we had to fight for,

Amy Gutman, MD: 8:53

Mm-hmm.

Tom Jackobs: 8:53

you know getting first place, second place, third place, and that was it. There's, there's nothing after.

Amy Gutman, MD: 8:57

Yeah, that's it.

Tom Jackobs: 8:58

And it's first place or nothing really. And,

Amy Gutman, MD: 9:01

Right,

Tom Jackobs: 9:02

and so you grow up and then you're like entitled to get everything. And when somebody gives you a little tough love, it's like, oh, I'm going on Google. I'm gonna give you a zero star review.

Amy Gutman, MD: 9:14

And many do, but some people who got those participation ribbons, I think if you catch them in sort of the right environment and say, Hey, guess what? You don't just get one in life. Maybe you do need to work a little bit harder. I think some people actually respond well to that. I have a 16-year-old. He's the light of my life. He loves the dance and he is in his room and he's, he's an eighties kid. He, I love it. He loves the seventies and eighties and it makes me so happy. He will never be on a Broadway stage. I will tell you that. He will never be Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, but he loves it. And I said, I don't care who else doesn't care that you're necessarily go to bed? And Mom, am I good? Are you having fun? Cool. Enjoy. But we also know as much as parents go, this is not gonna be like a career path for you, but have fun.

Tom Jackobs: 10:13

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 10:13

But the same is with participation. So let me ask you this. When you were growing up, was there anything that you desperately wanted to do? Desperately and

Tom Jackobs: 10:26

hmm

Amy Gutman, MD: 10:26

if you had not been told that maybe that was not your thing, you would've spent a long time in your life spending money. It's like the kids who go to college and spend, you know,$500,000 on a career that they're never gonna make any money at, no one's ever said to them, this is not viable. But in your life, has that, has, have you ever had this sort of kick in the teeth that like, oh yeah, maybe this is not, not gonna happen.

Tom Jackobs: 10:54

You know, I'm, I'm thinking back and not, not really. And,

Amy Gutman, MD: 10:59

Lucky, then.

Tom Jackobs: 11:00

And we were, yeah, I mean, we were a musical family, so I played violin. My, we, I had two older brothers. Um, my oldest brother plays for the Cleveland Orchestra as for 25 years tour around the world.

Amy Gutman, MD: 11:13

That's amazing.

Tom Jackobs: 11:14

Yeah. And, and we were, we did, we were a trio. I got a little tired of it. I, he, he told me later, he said, you could, you could be at the same level that I am. Had you put yourself out there and, and actually done, done the work. I just got disenfranchised in high school from an orchestra teacher who didn't, didn't put me where I thought I should be. Just concert master. So instead I went to the stage and I went through the theater

Amy Gutman, MD: 11:44

Oh wow.

Tom Jackobs: 11:45

and got a degree in theater management. I didn't, and I think at that point people were like, yeah, acting maybe, maybe not, but you're really good at management. I was like, this is perfect because there's no math involved in theater management. No, no requirement for math classes. So I was like, sign me up for that. But yeah, and then, you know, went through that. But yeah, I don't think I ever had somebody saying, you know, Tom, maybe you shouldn't go down that. But I think I did it myself.

Amy Gutman, MD: 12:13

I was gonna say, it sounds like you recognize that and that actually takes that takes a lot of insight.

Tom Jackobs: 12:21

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 12:21

And I think when you talk about generational things, maybe that key is a lot of the younger generation, sort of like our twenties and under that, I don't even know what they're called anymore.

Tom Jackobs: 12:34

Yeah, me neither.

Amy Gutman, MD: 12:34

X, Y, I don't know, whatever. I don't know that they necessarily have that insight, which is where the tough love comes in.

Tom Jackobs: 12:43

Mm-hmm.

Amy Gutman, MD: 12:43

I kind of like help you recognize that insight. And you, you don't wanna squash people's if, if like, listen, if you are living and dreaming because this makes you happy and you really think you can give it a shot. Who, who am I to say? Right? I don't listen to a lot of like new artists'cause I, they hurt my ears. But somebody does, I mean, they sell records I guess.

Tom Jackobs: 13:09

I dunno if they call'em records anymore.

Amy Gutman, MD: 13:10

Oh, the A tracks. Oh, you know I've got the old Victor Rolla. The Victor, is that what it's called? With the, with the like, yeah. Mm. Yes. I'm dating myself. Yes, I know. Final. Gotta love it.

Tom Jackobs: 13:23

Yeah. So, so tell us about, tell about Tough Love MD. What got you into that heart-led business and just the journey that you've gone through with that.

Amy Gutman, MD: 13:33

Sure, I'm, I, so I, I love immersive medicine and pre-hospital care. I love my job and despite my Google reviews, I always thought of myself as a, a fairly decent physician. I work very hard. I'm, uh, very nerdy. I think a lot and I put a lot of time. I'm not the quickest'cause I sit and I talk to patients I think, and then I had sort of important disorder. I've been a lifelong vegan and I hit menopause and I got really sick, like dying sick and could not figure out what was going on. I looked at myself as a patient, I'm like, everything's broken. It doesn't make any sense. And I got sicker and sicker and sicker, I really lost confidence in myself as a physician. I'm like, I can't even fix me. I can't diagnose me. And really profoundly bad symptoms. And then I stumbled upon sort of a couple little random biochemistry articles as I'm trying to figure out things. I'm again super nerdy and as I went down this rabbit hole into trying to figure out what was wrong and tying all the symptoms together. I unfortunately found out a lot of what I thought I knew about medicine and what I've been teaching people, students, and patients for decades was really not correct at all. What I thought was evidence based wasn't, and I became very, very depressed over that in that only am I maybe not a good doctor, but I don't even understand this. What I thought was true was not. Really quite fraudulent. A lot of the things that we've taught our patients in things over the years, these horrible conspiracy theories that are now actually really quite real. But in doing that, I discovered a very different way of living, sort of metabolically addressing root causes of disease. Don't attack a disease as a disease. It's like giving more insulin to a diabetic and not fixing what they're eating.

Tom Jackobs: 15:36

Right.

Amy Gutman, MD: 15:37

And as I discovered that, a very large group of evidence, scientific evidence came to the for and I just dove into it. I found like-minded physicians and clinicians, researchers from around the world and ultimately fixed myself. Like to the point where I am so much healthier in my mid fifties than I was at age 20, but did not wanna stop there because I think of it as penance. So this is another thing with a heart-led business. I am so upset that. And there's a wonderful book. Um, it's called,'Lies I Taught in Medical School', it's Dr. Ken Berry. And I'm like, I need to undo what I've done, but also recognizing that the things that make us physically strong, make us mentally strong and say, what can I do not just with patience, but how can I help people live fuller lives, like strong lives. And because I'd spent some time in executive leadership, I looked around, I'm like, you know what? I can take all these things I know in emergency medicine that makes a good leader yet to run an emergency department.

Tom Jackobs: 16:58

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 16:58

Things I know from executive leadership and use the science behind. It's to support people's success. And that's kind of penance in a way. I am letting people know that I had to learn the hard way by getting so sick there are different ways of living and not just like showing up every day, but thriving. So that's the core of what I do is, Tough Love MD. So at night I'm like Batman sort of at night. At night I work in the emergency department and in Florida. So there's definitely a lot of, hold my beer and watch this in Florida. I love it. And during the day I, either teach or I lecture or I travel, or like a company will say, Hey, come for, uh, executive retreat weekend and show people by example, but also using science, how they can be their best. You see a lot of people who are like, you know, it's very rah rah. I am not a rah rah kind of person. But I like, Hey, this is what you have in you and this is what you can do.

Tom Jackobs: 18:08

Mm-hmm.

Amy Gutman, MD: 18:08

And you can do doing this and this is why. This is what the science shows you. So I very, very much enjoy that. I love, I have a dear friend, he's a intensive care doctor. He calls them light bulbs. He says, you know it when you're talking to somebody and all of a sudden they go, ah. He goes, you can like that little cartoon light bulb, you can see it go off. And I love when that happens.

Tom Jackobs: 18:36

So how did you transition? Well, you haven't really transitioned. You still have, you're still, you're doing both. How did growing your Tough Love MD business, which is like the executive leadership, I, are you doing coaching as well in terms of small group? So how did you start that while also being a doc at night? That seems exhausting.

Amy Gutman, MD: 19:00

It, well, it is uh, it's exhausting. Actually, I, I really don't take a lot of my advice because I'm like, you really need to get like really good sleep for your cortisol. And I'm like, every two hours I'm like, I have a meeting because I, you know, I do a lot of business overseas because night shifts, so day nights that I'm off, I do business overseas. It was actually really random as I was kind of trying to figure out how I could do this penance. I got a call from someone who saw my LinkedIn profile and says, oh, you do traditional medical teaching. At the time I'd been, you know, lecturers like, you know, this is a mitochondria click, this is a bio click, you know, click. they said, Hey, what are you doing on Saturday? We see you live in Orlando. We've had a speaker drop out of our, air conditioning executive launch. We'd love to, can you give a talk? I'm like, on what? Like, listen, we, sure you can pull something and do something medicine-y. I'm like, oh. And they said we'll give you five grand. And I'm like, I'm sorry, what? And as it turns out, I, I was working and no one could cover my shifts, but I did find someone for them and I said, I thank you. I said, I tell me what this, what do you do? I don't understand. Why would you give$5,000 to someone to show up and give a lecture? They had you to do that, a medical conference, and they give you like maybe chicken or like a coupon. Coupon for the bar. And they said, no. You know, physicians who do these things get paid a fairly large amount of money. They said we were desperate. That's why we're offering that. But, and so I went sort of down that rabbit hole. I'm like, Hey, maybe I can not just help people in my emergency department. Maybe there were people out there that I can have like this broader audience. And so that's where the speaking portion of it, which is really challenging. It's because, so I started actually podcasting to learn how to talk to people, because after so many years on night shift in the emergency department, I just sort of grunted during the day when people talk to you and it's like, Hey, what do you think about whatever? I'm like, ah, ah, you know. It's a, I don't know what you're talking about. So I started podcasting to learn how to actually talk to people.

Tom Jackobs: 21:18

Okay.

Amy Gutman, MD: 21:19

have a conversation, spontaneous conversation, and became comfortable on stages. Whether you have slides or you're speaking to an audience. And developed a sort of a curriculum. We go signature talks on, Hey, I've got leadership based on science. I have metabolic health fertility, things like, they're like, these are random topics, but they're all tied together by addressing your metabolic health. And then that came out to, I had someone approached me. I'm like, Hey, can you teach this at a corporate retreat? I'm like, Okay, and they said, well, we just fly you out to, I'm like, I'm sorry you. do you mean you fly people out? Yeah, we fly people out. Oh, that sounds cool to me. And so it is very difficult balancing the night and the day and, but it helps me actually fund the things that I love doing that don't pay. Like I, my heart is still in EMS, I love pre-hospital care. Those conferences don't pay.

Tom Jackobs: 22:23

Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 22:23

So if I get a paid conference, it helps me do the things that don't pay, which is a terrible business thing. So if you wanted to know how not to run a business, it's that

Tom Jackobs: 22:33

don't charge.

Amy Gutman, MD: 22:34

don't charge. Actually take a loss because you know you. So that would not be the world's greatest business advice, but it's really good for the heart portion of the heart-led businesses.

Tom Jackobs: 22:46

Okay. Yeah, so I like that concept too because clearly the day job, which is your night job for a lot of people that can be the safety net. And so it, it's allows them to do more passion type projects. But also now you're using what you're making on the speaking and your coaching business to then fund doing more, pro bono type of work for the the heart-led projects that you love. That's great.

Amy Gutman, MD: 23:13

Or undercutting a price. There are a lot of physicians just like lawyers of like, oh, it's$500 an hour to do X, Y, and Z. And there's a lot of places that, you know, it's a rural place or underfunded or that just they can't. And so you take it because it's an important job that needs to be done, but you know you're not gonna make a profit out of it. So that means you have to now seek out something that's gonna pay you double. So you can continue to do that. And so that's, I'm a, a new business owner. I'm a new CEO, so I run a business, but I'm still at that. Okay. I'm just here and so next year, this is my goal, and I think that's actually a really important key with businesses, is that it can't be just, oh, I want to be the next Mark Zuckerberg or whomever. It has to be a very discreet set of goals. When I met my, I have a virtual assistant who's lovely, who she is in the Philippines, so we're actually, her day is my day as well.'cause it's night.

Tom Jackobs: 24:27

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 24:27

Which is nice. And I said, next month or first month together. When we met, I said, next month I wanna book one$1,000 job. I want you to book me one$1,000 job. That's my goal next month. You're new to each other. Month after, it's either gonna be three$1,000 jobs or one$3,000 job.

Tom Jackobs: 24:51

Okay.

Amy Gutman, MD: 24:51

And so I, you make these specific goals. I want to build my LinkedIn audience by this. I want to have a connection with this person. Specific. I said, this is the target. I have this one conference that I'm dying to speak at, not because it pays well, but because of who's there. And said, if I can get on that stage, those are the people that I want to hear my message.'cause those are the people that are gonna hire me to let share that message with more people. So very discreet way to run a business.

Tom Jackobs: 25:29

Okay, great. And is that how you're also balancing making a profit in that business and also being heart-led?

Amy Gutman, MD: 25:38

Absolutely.

Tom Jackobs: 25:40

Did you have,'cause a lot of heart-led people and definitely those that are in the healthcare world as well, have big hearts and they just wanna give, give, give. Did you ever have that whole conflict between, should I charge, should I not charge, like that whole thing and then ended up not doing it all or something?

Amy Gutman, MD: 25:59

It's, it's hard saying no. It's very, very hard saying no, but then you say, so I'm one of those people. If I can't do a job and exceed your expectations, I really should not be doing that job. But maybe if I can't do it, maybe I know someone who can. So it's really hard saying no, but so like today, so I worked overnight and today I have a meeting with you. I have another meeting later this afternoon and I have a third meeting that I emailed them two days ago. I'm like, listen, we're gonna have to just reschedule. I know you have a deadline, we're just gonna do it like six hours later. I just need to, I just can't do like 36 hours. I just know it. And they were not terribly upset, but they were, you know, just went like, Hey, we've had this meeting set for two weeks. I get it just a few hours. We'll, we'll move it. I knew it would upset them, but I also knew what time zone they're in and I gave them enough time. So I said, this is an option, but this is why I'm doing it. Please understand. I never lose focus of the fact that the reason I'm trying to do this is because I don't just wanna be a better physician or a better leader. It's has to be because I need to be a little bit better too. That's part of it. So that means a better mom, a better wife, a physician. And so if I never say no, I can't do that work.

Tom Jackobs: 27:31

Yep.

Amy Gutman, MD: 27:33

It is, and I, I don't mean to go sort of gender roles in it, but it's something that a lot of women struggle with.

Tom Jackobs: 27:40

Absolutely.

Amy Gutman, MD: 27:40

And a lot of female business owners. I sort of read incessantly on LinkedIn. I know it can be like a horror show. I understand. But I, I find it really interesting. A lot of women executives talk about that particular struggle and a lot of males, executives do not. And I'm sure the struggle is exactly the same, but it's actually quite interesting the divide there when women have to almost apologize for pulling back a little bit, you don't necessarily see that in men. Some you do, and I think that's a, it's a lovely quality. And it's not like an imposter syndrome, you know, people talk about that all the time. It's, I just, I, I need to be successful. I need to actually focus. And this has to be the focus sometimes.

Tom Jackobs: 28:35

Yeah, absolutely. If you're not taking care of yourself, you can't take care of others, right? Put your oxygen mask on first. Right?

Amy Gutman, MD: 28:41

Exactly. Although, yeah, I'm flying in a few days. I hope I don't wait. That actually, that is honestly the worst part about being a speaker. I,

Tom Jackobs: 28:52

That's my favorite part.

Amy Gutman, MD: 28:53

oh, I love traveling. I love traveling. I hate flying.

Tom Jackobs: 28:59

Okay. Got it.

Amy Gutman, MD: 29:01

You like fly how? I mean, you

Tom Jackobs: 29:03

Yeah, I love, I, well, I have a pilot's license for,

Amy Gutman, MD: 29:06

I did not know that.

Tom Jackobs: 29:08

yeah, I learned in Orlando. But yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah. I did. Yeah.

Amy Gutman, MD: 29:12

My dad say, uh, my father's a retired B 52 pilot, and I did not inherit, love it all. I, I used to be a, a flight physician on a helicopter, and I, I was the thinnest I'd ever been in my entire life'cause I literally spent the days, like, anxiety 12 hours before puking, puking all during the shift, puking after the shift.

Tom Jackobs: 29:31

Oh my gosh, the pilot's going, oh my gosh. Do we have her again? Right.

Amy Gutman, MD: 29:35

Oh my gosh. Thank God she can save lives. Dr. Gutman, get the extra Clorox.

Tom Jackobs: 29:43

Oh my gosh. Oh my God. I can't believe that we were at that time already. This has just been a fascinating conversation and a really nice perspective as well in terms of still having kinda the day job, night job and building a business and still having that all that time for heart-led pursuits as well. So I think that's great story. And, thank you so much for being on the show. But before we go off. How do people get ahold of you and get in contact and maybe they, they need a speaker. How can they get ahold of you?

Amy Gutman, MD: 30:13

Well, you can either drink a beer and cut your hand off with a chainsaw. and come to my emergency department, or,

Tom Jackobs: 30:19

What was that last night?

Amy Gutman, MD: 30:21

well. No, we don't, we don't pay patient confidentiality. But lemme tell you, it is Florida. It is Florida. Florida man is real. An easier way, a less painful, way less bloody would be to go to my website. It's, www.toughlovemd.expert. It's a really quite horrible, I have to say, my IT skills are not quite as good as my medical skills, but I'm working on it every day. So yeah, toughlovemd.expert and it lists all my services. And then you can go to LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn under Amy Gutman or Tough Love MD. And listen, have suitcase, will travel, I grip, you know, my little, but speaking I'm, you know, I do events. I'm really, really passionate about metabolic wellness, both for personal and professional, and, I have a, a very exciting book coming out. It's called Powerhouse Your Life, Live Your Life Like a Resuscitation. It's all those things from emergency medicine that leadership, how these weird little things from my life and I have a, a very most emergency physicians are a little weird. like, uh, little goldfish. But how to take those lessons and apply them to sort of anyone, how can you take this lesson and become better in your personal life, professional life, so lead your life like a resuscitation coming out soon.

Tom Jackobs: 31:44

Awesome.

Amy Gutman, MD: 31:45

But I love it. And friend me on, I'm on Twitter as well at Tough Love MD and I've met some wonderful people there and been hired for some wonderful jobs just based upon me laying out a challenge like, oh, you don't think you can be better? Give me five minutes and I can show you how good you can be. So, and it's all science,

Tom Jackobs: 32:08

That's awesome.

Amy Gutman, MD: 32:08

All science based.

Tom Jackobs: 32:09

Well, Amy, thank you so much for being on the show today, and I really appreciate the conversation. I know our audience is gonna love it as well, so thank you for that.

Amy Gutman, MD: 32:17

Thank you so much, Tom. It was absolute pleasure. I am again so grateful and it was lovely meeting you.

Tom Jackobs: 32:22

Thank you. And thank you listeners for listening and watching the show today. I really appreciate it. Make sure you're checking out everything that Dr. Gutman is doing. We're gonna provide all that down in the show notes, so make sure you're checking that out. And if you could do me a favor, and that's to share the show with a friend or loved one that could use the advice that was shared on today that will help spread the word about heart-led businesses and help more people get into being more heart-led. So until next time, lead with your heart.

Speaker 2: 32:51

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