Speaker: 0:01

Welcome to the Heart-Led Business Show, where compassion meets commerce and leaders lead with love. Join your host, Tom Jackobs, as he delves into the insightful conversations with visionary business leaders who defy the status quo, putting humanity first and profit second. From heartfelt strategies to inspiring stories, this podcast is your compass in the world of conscious capitalism. So buckle up and let's go. Let your heart guide your business journey.

Tom Jackobs: 0:36

Get ready folks. Today's guest isn't just a connector. He's a super connector with a staggering 5.5 billion in projects and 125 million in partner deals. Steve Ramona doesn't just make introductions. He creates opportunities that change lives. But wait, there's more. He's the host of doing business with Servants Heart, reaching 50,000 plus listeners per episode and the creator of Together we serve a TV show with 1.2 million monthly viewers. If you're looking for game changing connections and partnerships that actually work with heart, Steve's your guy. So let's dive in. Steve, welcome to the show.

Steve Ramona: 1:19

Thank you so much. I'm fired up to be here.

Tom Jackobs: 1:22

Oh I'm fired up too. I'm so excited to, to speak with you. Really get into the backstory because heart led and 5.5 billion. That's gonna be a disconnect for some people and I'm really excited to dive in and how we can connect that and still show that you can make billions and billions of dollars and still lead with the heart. So with that said, what's your definition of heart-led business?

Steve Ramona: 1:47

They're uplifting everybody they run into. They're bringing value. The law of increase. Chapter four, think and Grow Rich. They're following that mantra. I read it every month just to remind me. Your competitor, your prospect, your customer, your employees, just people you run into, bring, identify'em, whatever that value looks like, small, medium, or large. Make that a constant activity that you do for your business. And I guarantee you, one, it's fun.

Tom Jackobs: 2:18

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 2:19

You're gonna build relationships and meet incredible people like you, Thomas. Your revenue is gonna grow. How much we don't know that God and the universe will do it. But if you grew 10% this year in 2025 doing this, let me know if you'd be happy. Reach out to me, reach out to Thomas. Ask us, tell us.

Tom Jackobs: 2:38

Yeah, absolutely. And connections is the key and the relationships of those connections too, because I know some people kinda game it, and there it's not really authentic and I can see that a mile away and most people can't. But, so it's genuine connections and that's been my mantra for the last year is how can I meet more people? And this podcast has done a great job of introducing me to, to great people like yourself. But also it, my business is growing because of the connections that I'm making. So it's, that's, I'm so glad that you brought that up and the value add that, that you do for other people and it's always comes back. Do you find that it comes back in?

Steve Ramona: 3:20

Oh, it does. Here's that tip that I had to learn a couple years ago, Thomas. Game changer in my life. Been serving for many years, putting partners together, putting people together, but I never would ask, and this guy told me he was doing 250 million a year. He said, Steve. What you're telling me is you're giving, giving, fantastic. But when people come to you go, how can I help you? And I could tell you 10 instances where I go, I'm good, Thomas.

Tom Jackobs: 3:45

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 3:45

good.

Tom Jackobs: 3:46

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 3:47

Steve, not good. I just gave him a bunch of gift. I served them. He goes, you did. But when somebody comes back around and asks you to support you, they wanna give you gifts back. When you say no, subconsciously walk away and go. Not top of mind because that gift giving is when you give those, Steve, how do you feel? Great. They accept them and it works out we'll flip that around with the person you're talking to. Once I start asking my company 5.5 billion projects right now because of my podcast, which to me is the new network.

Tom Jackobs: 4:24

Yep.

Steve Ramona: 4:24

Networking group, because we can control the people coming in. We're so much aligned. We're brothers from another mother. Because I asked, I said, Hey, we're looking for this. We're looking for that. Can you help me? I get a referral a week for my business. We just launched five months ago.

Tom Jackobs: 4:41

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 4:42

5-year-old company, but I've built a network from 63 for, since I'm 20, 43 years. It's finally paying off for you out there listening. You might be 25, 30, it might pay off in 10 years. I just did it wrong, and I'm trying to change that and pa pay it forward. Here's what I did wrong. I never asked. Now when I do big things, I've had other people do. I've had credible emails, Steve, I did that. I asked this guy and I got this multi-billionaire on my podcast. I just asked

Tom Jackobs: 5:16

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 5:16

Or I got a deal. This guy brought me two clients because I brought him a deal. I asked, I'm looking for clients. He's got two clients. I know it works. Doesn't work all the time, and that's the key. It's not a hundred percent guarantee, but taking the action is a hundred percent.

Tom Jackobs: 5:32

Yeah. Like you, you miss a hundred percent of the shots that you don't take. Was that Wayne Gretsky maybe that said that, or somebody?

Steve Ramona: 5:39

Michael Jordan

Tom Jackobs: 5:41

Which maybe some sports guy I also like Wayne Gretzky's, go where the puck is going, not where it is. And that's a great business analogy as well. But I, yeah, asking for that. That's something that I've struggled with as well, is that. Some, I'm a giver as well, heart led and people will ask like you said. And that's, I'm, that's a good reminder. So thank you for bringing that up. It's okay to ask.

Steve Ramona: 6:08

Yeah. And what's the worst thing? It's a no. Next. When somebody says no to me, I say next, but here's a tip. And this is, I just picked this up about months ago. I figured it out. When somebody says no to me, I serve them even more. I bring them more heart. And they're like,'cause I've had people come back to me later going, I wanna work with you.'cause I said no to you and you still gave.

Tom Jackobs: 6:32

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 6:34

Give. It's not hard.

Tom Jackobs: 6:35

Yeah. Build

Steve Ramona: 6:36

your resources, build your community. Build your network. Start sharing it with people. It is the best feeling when I call Christmas morning every day. When you wake up as a kid and you are running into the tree, what happens? You're opening that gift up. I get to do that every day. Now, some are a brand new bike and some are a new book.

Tom Jackobs: 6:58

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 6:59

People wanna be seen. When you help them be seen by what you do. Do they forget you? No. I've been getting referrals every day for the last 20 months. 20 days, 20 months. Some five, some three. I probably could look at him an email and I have a referral a lot of'em are, man, you gotta meet Steve, He's such a giver. He's got a great podcast, this and that. Don't we wanna be remembered for that? Not that I pitched you and I sold you a 10,000 program and I'm$10,000 richer.

Tom Jackobs: 7:34

Yeah. And for the giver it feels good as well. Like Christmas morning you see the kids unwrapping the gifts and their eyes lighting up and they're like, oh my gosh. And my, I don't have kids of my own, but niece and nephew. And I remember one Christmas my niece, I got her like this princess dress. I don't know what I was thinking, but it was cute at the time. She's probably listening to this and went, oh my gosh, uncle t don't tell that. But anyway, they called me Uncle T and she was just like, oh my gosh, uncle T love this. And it just felt really good. And if you're telling people, no, I don't need anything, it's all good. You're taking, like you said before, you're taking that, that feeling away from them and then they're not gonna remember you later.

Steve Ramona: 8:18

Yeah. Remembering is so powerful. I'll give you an ask. Ask story, and this is through a podcast. So I had a gentleman, Zach, on, on a Monday, and I was going through and found out he had Forbes Riley on his show. She's done$2.53 billion in her career in fitness and entrepreneurs. She's one of the top entrepreneurs. I reached out after the show and he, gave him some referrals. We did a great show. He was on fire. I said, Zach, he asked me how can I help? No, he didn't ask me. Which is okay. Some people are gonna forget, Hey, how can I support you? I said, Hey, Zach, can I ask a favor? Yeah, sure. What? What? I said, can you introduce me to Forbes Riley? I'd love to have her on my show. She's a perfect fit. Sure. Hour later, I got an email. Three days later, she was on my show. And he said, no I can't. She doesn't go anymore podcasts. Great, Zach, thank you. By the way, here's another referral. Let's talk soon. I'll get this out to you. That story is so easy to do because here's the problem, when we say, people say no to us on both sides, the person telling me no is feeling uncomfortable. How's he gonna act? He's a good guy. And then I'm feeling a guy. How do I respond to a no? Okay, I understand. People always say, yeah, I understand you don't have the money right now. Go, oh, no, I, We'll follow up on that. But by the way, here's something else for you. I've had people come back to some of the people I'm mentoring months later and go, that one conversation I signed up with you because you still were given, like I said earlier,

Tom Jackobs: 9:48

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 9:48

still giving even though I said no to you.

Tom Jackobs: 9:50

Yeah. It comes back all the time. A lot more than if you didn't do it at all. Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 9:56

Yes, absolutely.

Tom Jackobs: 9:58

Tell us a little bit about your heart-led business and what you're doing and what makes it a heart-led business.

Steve Ramona: 10:03

Well, a podcast has been the beginning of this, as I said, I think it's the new networking group because a podcast, and if you not, don't have a podcast out there, I mentor podcast people. I get them started. I'm actually doing one today. And if I do it monthly for free, that's one thing from a, that I do from a heartfelt business.

Tom Jackobs: 10:22

Yeah. Give

Steve Ramona: 10:23

stuff away for free. I'm not saying 10 hours a week, I'm not saying whatever you can do. I do one hour a month for podcasts and two hours a month for business mentoring at no cost. So it's three hours outta my month. Is it affecting my business? Hell no. It's building my business. Because the universe goes Steve. I'm proud to say this. You're helping people, you're doing good things. I did a business mentoring Monday with three ladies before we got off there. Oh my God. Thank you, Steve. Oh my God, we've learned so much. I appreciate your time. And one of the ladies I've been working with for four weeks, she wasn't gonna start a business. Now she's looking to start a business. She's getting a mentor. And I tell you the feeling when I got off that Zoom call was just. It's ecstatic. The other thing I'm doing besides the podcast and I'm mentoring is in the renewable energy space, we're taking landowners and partnering up with renewable energy. Power is a big problem in this world and in the United States, for people to grow developers that have projects with their industrial or residential or commercial, we can come in, but now we're building jobs. We've got a couple Indian reservations or we're serving them, get them jobs, get them revenue. And it's so cool'cause when you get tie, the social impact to it, philanthropic in a sense. It's still make money and everybody's happy. It's a home run.

Tom Jackobs: 11:50

That's the heart led business as well. Now the renewable, is it that like solar and wind, traditionally?

Steve Ramona: 11:57

hydrogen, and wind.

Tom Jackobs: 11:58

Okay. Oh, cool.

Steve Ramona: 11:59

We've got a partner wind iq, who just is the new wind turbine. You've probably all seen listening. The big ones, the big propellers. A thousand birds a month.

Tom Jackobs: 12:10

Animals, can't be

Steve Ramona: 12:11

be around it. They're really affecting the environment.

Tom Jackobs: 12:14

They're not.

Steve Ramona: 12:14

good and they're la of are being torn down. This one is 30 feet tall, doesn't use propellers. Uses one box that spins.

Tom Jackobs: 12:23

Oh.

Steve Ramona: 12:24

So you can put in your backyard and power your house and the big ones need about 13 miles an hour wind, which is a lot of wind to really get going. Plus, there's hydrogen in the bottom of that. Then it's not, but it, possibly could be. Ours is two and a half miles an hour and it's generating power.

Tom Jackobs: 12:44

Oh wow.

Steve Ramona: 12:44

Maintenance in once every three years.'Cause it's just one unit.

Tom Jackobs: 12:48

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 12:49

can paint, you can make it aesthetic. We've got people thinking about putting this in a park and having the kids paint on it with graphics and pictures and stuff to make it pretty, even though it's a, it's a renewable energy. And the other ones you just can't do that. So we're excited because we're bringing on new technology. It's really gonna change the world.

Tom Jackobs: 13:07

It's cool because it's a smaller footprint as well.

Steve Ramona: 13:10

Yep, exactly.

Tom Jackobs: 13:11

Yeah, I I live in Taiwan and there's huge amount of the wind projects going offshore and it's, and there's some onshore as well. And I tell you what, those big propellers, and it's just a eyesore to be honest. Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 13:27

It really is, and they're not working all the time because of the 13 mile. So you got that eyesore there that's not really helping the power. And fortunately this is going to be, make a big change. Make a big difference.

Tom Jackobs: 13:37

Oh, that's cool. Awesome. So the crux of the show is really about how you balance making a profit and still being heart led. So you, at the top of the show, in your introduction, it's, 5.5 billion in projects, and I'm sure a lot of people are like, oh. Not heart led with that, but how are we balancing or how are you balancing the profit and the heart led piece of it

Steve Ramona: 14:04

More abundance I get. More abundance I can give.

Tom Jackobs: 14:08

Perfectly said.

Steve Ramona: 14:09

If I make 10 million this year. I can go build a home sports complex for kids. To have some place they can go, get outta the house, get off the cell phone and play basketball, hit a baseball, gaming, whatever that may be, but getting kids back to community right off the bat, that's one of my goals.

Tom Jackobs: 14:27

Oh, that's lovely.

Steve Ramona: 14:28

Not all successful people with a lot of money do that.

Tom Jackobs: 14:32

But

Steve Ramona: 14:33

that's what I'm gonna do. And the guys I've talked to. Have done that. It just leads to more abundance.

Tom Jackobs: 14:39

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 14:39

You get abundance, you give it, you get more abundance. You give it. It becomes this beautiful cycle of everybody's happy. When you do something, I watch stories. You've probably seen stories, you know that quick one. My wife was showing me good morning America. This young kid has been in a hospital 17 times and arthritis and not a good life so far, and they walked up to him and they said, here's a thousand dollars or two tickets to the Philadelphia Eagles game. He's a big Eagles fan. He lives in Philadelphia. He took the tickets. He's never been.

Tom Jackobs: 15:11

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 15:13

What this guy did, which is what I would do and I take it would love to do, is he goes, you know what? Here's the thousand dollars. Wow. Now the kid's got a thousand dollars.

Tom Jackobs: 15:23

Yeah. But.

Steve Ramona: 15:24

what he did was he stood at the counter, at the checkout stand. He bought everybody's groceries until a thousand dollars was gone. Hey, let me get you groceries today. Never kept any thousand dollars.

Tom Jackobs: 15:38

Wow.

Steve Ramona: 15:39

Heartfelt from a kid, but that's what heartfelt business does. That story. Now, here's the end of the story. Bradley Cooper huge Philadelphia Eagles fan. They had this kid in his family of Good Morning America and they brought the Eagles cheerleader. They made all hoopla about this, which is really cool.

Tom Jackobs: 15:57

Yeah. That's awesome.

Steve Ramona: 15:57

Gave him a little toy of the mascot. He gave it to his sister. Amazing. But Bradley Cooper comes running out and gives him four tickets to the Super Bowl

Tom Jackobs: 16:06

Oh my gosh.

Steve Ramona: 16:07

For the whole family. Now he's only second game ever. Eagles are playing and Bradley Cooper had him in his arms. If he watch the Super Bowl, if anybody watch the Super Bowl, the kid that was in his arms this kid I'm telling you about.

Tom Jackobs: 16:21

Oh

Steve Ramona: 16:22

That's what a heartfelt business. He didn't give the thousand dollars away to go to the Super Bowl. He had no idea. He just did it. That's what happens when your heartfelt business and your abundance leads to more. But how many people did he feed? How many of those people barely can pay their groceries, have debt? They're adding more debt now, they don't have. Another quick story. I love talking about this stuff. So I tell people when you are having a tough day and things aren't falling in place, go serve somebody. What a great way to get outta the funk. Maybe it's five minutes, five hours, but it's a good thing to do. The universe loves that and gets you outta your head a lot. So I did that. A lot of things were happening that day, so I left at two o'clock. I don't usually leave my office. I went to a grocery store and stood in line. Nobody was there, but this lady had a baby in her arms and I just leaned to the clerk. I'm in California, so this is why the kid respond. He goes, dude. Dude, what are you doing? You don't buy people's groceries? Dude that's crazyI said I said, just do me a favor. It's something I had a call, I had this feeling and finally did it. It was a lot of money, but it doesn't matter. So I buy my groceries and I walk out and she starts tearing up. Her name was Debbie. And I said, oh, Debbie, I'm, I did not wanna upset you. She could know Steve. I'm super joyful right now. My husband lost his job last week. We didn't know how we were gonna pay for the food for our baby.

Tom Jackobs: 17:51

Wow.

Steve Ramona: 17:52

I stepped back and I said, thank you. I appreciate that and it was a great thing that I did, but there's a greater thing that's gonna happen. Why I subconscious, what I was thinking was wanted to give, wanted to serve without recourse. Look what happened. But what's gonna happen when Debbie goes home and talks to her husband?

Tom Jackobs: 18:11

Wow.

Steve Ramona: 18:13

Tell that story. And most of the time, not all the time, but most of the time. How can we help somebody else? And then you get the chain of events.

Tom Jackobs: 18:23

Yep.

Steve Ramona: 18:23

that's all happened without me thinking about was just to me as a spiritual Holy Spirit was calling me to. To help her out. I got the money. I just, she had a baby. Maybe it was the baby, I don't know. What look what transpired with a heartfelt activity or a heartfelt business. It's why I absolutely love your show and love you as a host because this is a game changer for people. And you need to listen to these shows, not just my others, because it can make a change in somebody's life and impact and difference.

Tom Jackobs: 18:57

Yeah, if there were more people doing exactly what you did, the world would be such a more, a richer place because of it. And a couple things came to mind when you were talking about that. I had an experience where I was going through a drive through at Starbucks and somebody had started the buy behind me thing. And so everybody was like. Okay, so they bought my coffee. Now I'm gonna buy them, but their coffee too. And it was just this chain of reaction and it was such a great, I was like, this is like really cool. I hope they don't have five lattes behind me. Something like that.

Steve Ramona: 19:33

That's great coffee. Come on let's go. Yeah. Oh yeah. How did you feel for the next few hours you remember?

Tom Jackobs: 19:41

I told lots of people about it too, because that's what we do when something like extraordinary happens, we tell more people about it. And the negative side and the positive side. You get a, if you get a complaint, there's 10 other people that have that same complaint and they tell 10 people about their complaint. But with. With the good things that happen that are extraordinary, people tell other people. And it's just that great change.

Steve Ramona: 20:06

Oh my God. You open the door, watch out.'cause this is a huge door you just opened. If all the entire world learn how to,'cause I get asked all the time, Thomas, you. You like an expert. You're probably bigger than I am. We know how to serve. We figure it out. We ask and listen. I have this principle. Ask. Ask. Shut up. Listen. Shut up.'cause that's how you can serve. Oh, what do they really need? They will tell you. So I go to restaurants all the time and I've been doing it for years. And I'll grab a, gotta be genuine, I'll grab the waitress or waiter and go, Hey, can you grab your manager? Oh, what's up? Can I help you? Oh, no, can you grab your manager? I do that purposely because I'll watch and they walk over and it's this, the, they're like, what the hell? Figure it out. What did you do? What? What am I walking into? And I did this at a cheese factory. We're at the bar. She was great. We only had five pot stickers and had six. She told us right away, we're discounting your product. We ran out. We're sorry. She was serviceable. Water was all that. She was really good. So I did that. Her manager walked over, shaking, physically shaking and said no. And why do we do that? And then that's the crazy thing to me, and I'll go, I went to her and said, this is one of the best waitresses I've worked with. If I had a restaurant, I'd take her from you. That's how good she was. You're not starting a restaurant, I you. No. All I'm just telling you. That's how good she was freaking out a little bit. To really serve even more when you do this and audience go out and do that. And by the way, people's names and call'em by their names.

Tom Jackobs: 21:38

Yeah. That's a

Steve Ramona: 21:38

simple way to serve people. So I said Terry was her name. I said, how often do you hear this? Steve, I've been here a year. I've probably heard it twice. My staff is doing good in a year. Yeah,

Tom Jackobs: 21:51

yeah.

Steve Ramona: 21:52

I've talked to over 150 managers now. About 140 of them get one or two a year. The other 10 were just such good, and they ask, Hey, staff is doing good. Let no so audience, here's a tip and I'm gonna write a book about this. Be a better customer. Don't just be complaining. We have customer service books all over the internet, all over Amazon, and they're great. But also flips on the customer side, And yelling at somebody because their food was cold. You could do that or go, Hey Thomas, you know my food's cold. Can you check it out and see what we can do? Oh my God, it is cold. Let me fix that for you.

Tom Jackobs: 22:32

Yeah. Yeah. Being a better customer you'ree gonna one, get better service because you are complimentary and people want to do business with you. As my mama says, you can get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Steve Ramona: 22:47

Amen. I did this to another place bj doesn't matter. Sports BJ Sport. And we did this with a waitress. The manager came over. She was super excited. Oh my God, I really appreciate it. The waitress came back, she goes, you know what? I work at the four nine ERs stadium. You guys ever come by? I'll get you free drinks.

Tom Jackobs: 23:06

Oh my gosh.

Steve Ramona: 23:07

Now. I didn't say she was good. I was being genuine'cause she was good. This is the heartfelt business again. I'm gonna go back to your podcast. The ROI. You don't know what it's gonna be. I didn't ask for it, but it does happen. Doesn't happen all the time. Absolutely not. We get fearful when we serve and heartfelt when, where, and how is it gonna happen? Take that outta your mindset. Just do take action. Do take action. It'll eventually happen, and sometimes big and sometimes small.

Tom Jackobs: 23:37

Yeah, and I wanna go back a little bit where you said about just shutting up and listening to the other person.'cause they'll tell you exactly what they want and that is exactly the sales philosophy that I have as well. When you're sitting with a prospect, it's you ask the question and then you zip it up and shut up and let them talk. There's so many salespeople that go into a conversation and it's just yep. This, I'm so great. This is so great. My product's wonderful. They know nothing about that prospect, and so this, not only is it heart-led business, but in sales and every aspect of life, the more you ask and just shut up and listen, the richer you're going to be in knowledge and just making those connections with people.

Steve Ramona: 24:21

Yeah, I've never said this on a podcast and I'm gonna say it now. There's people that do like this. How long have you been in business? 10 years. Okay. Why do you do your business? Oh, I'm passionate about helping kids. And then it's you know what? I've got this software you need to buy because it'll help you grow. Yeah. They asked questions, but they didn't show up and listen.

Tom Jackobs: 24:40

They didn't listen.

Steve Ramona: 24:41

cause I hear people say I ask questions all the time, and I go through a scenario and they're like, you didn't listen to one thing? I said,

Tom Jackobs: 24:47

That's an interrogation.

Steve Ramona: 24:51

That's it. Let me borrow that.

Tom Jackobs: 24:53

Yeah. Sometimes it feels like that. I was on a podcast interview that was an interrogation. It felt like, because there was no conversation, there was no like banter back and forth, which makes it a lot more interesting for people to listen to. Sure.

Steve Ramona: 25:08

yeah it's, that's what podcasts should be. And these are gifts.

Tom Jackobs: 25:11

Yeah. I see at the

Steve Ramona: 25:12

end of my, all my podcast, subscribe to my YouTube channel, but not so I have subscribers. But you have that link'cause it gets sent to you and if you listen to it and it resonates with you, or you can help somebody another way to serve, send them that podcast link. Go, Hey, I just listened to Thomas. Oh my God. A couple of these tips you were talking about. And maybe they reach out, maybe they don't. Maybe the podcast answers their questions.

Tom Jackobs: 25:36

Yeah.

Steve Ramona: 25:36

You just gave that Christmas gift on a Saturday February 29th or March 1st, you gave a Christmas gift.

Tom Jackobs: 25:44

Yeah. Oh, that's brilliant. Steve, this has been just a wonderful conversation. I can't believe that we're almost at time here. But so many great nuggets and I think this is definitely an episode people need to listen to a couple times to really let it sink in. But yeah, the giver mentality is so important in business. So how can people learn a little bit more about what you do? And get connected with the super connector.

Steve Ramona: 26:10

I love that stever1961@gmail. My email. Email me anytime. LinkedIn. I play on LinkedIn all the time. Steve Ramona, R-A-M-O-N-A. Should be the only Steve Ramona, but either one of those ways you can connect with me. You could check out website for our energy renewable energy anemosglobal.com, A-N-E-M-O-S global.com, and can know more about some of the projects that we're doing to have a heartfelt business. And again, I wanna thank you, Thomas. This is such a great podcast, and more and more people need to hear it, not just because he wants subscribers, but this message has to get out.

Tom Jackobs: 26:49

Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much for seeing that, Steven. Thanks for being on the show. I really appreciate it.

Steve Ramona: 26:54

Thank you.

Tom Jackobs: 26:55

And thank you listeners for watching or listening to the show today. We really do appreciate it and make sure you're checking out what Steve is doing and he just gave you his Gmail account so send him an email and see those gifts come back to you a hundred percent, a hundred times over. And if you could do me a solid favor and do what other considerate listeners are doing, and that is giving the show a rating and review.'cause that helps us share the show with more people and makes it gets found. So if you could do that for me, I would certainly appreciate it and I know you'll feel great by doing it. And until next time, lead with your heart.

Speaker 2: 27:31

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